Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Zionist (Il)logic

If anyone doubted the inability of Zionism to defend itself against the documentary and historical record, then doubt no longer. Here, we see Israel defend itself against Human RIghts Watch's extensive documentation showing the mass evidence of Israel's indiscriminate carpeting of South Lebanon with cluster bombs in its reports Flooding South Lebanon.

Here, we see Israel's complete non-response to the charges leveled against. Possible the most hilarious part:

Even following the Hizbullah attack of July 12, Israel sought to avoid an escalation of the conflict. The Israeli government gave Syria and Hizbullah a 72 hour ultimatum to stop Hizbullah’s activity along the Lebanon-Israel border and to release the two kidnapped IDF soldiers, and so avert the conflict.

Has official Israeli propaganda just given up on even TRYING to tell the truth? "Avoid escalation"??!! June 12 and 13th were the first days of the war, and Israel was already bombarding the airport and Lebanese civilian infrastructure. Dozens of Lebanese civilians were killed.

Jeez, what a despicable state. 

Correction: Clearly, it is called the July War for a reason, whereas I misstyped and said the war was in June. Thanks Zionist reader Yerushalemaiy or whatever. 

8 comments:

Abu Foxman said...

And just think if the army of Allah hadn't attacked Israel there would have been no batttle at all. Sucks when you start a war then start crying that you don't like the way the people you attacked fight fight back.

Yerushalimey said...

"The document is not a direct response to the information requested by Human Rights Watch. To date, we have not received any further information from the Israeli authorities responding directly to our request for information." That's from the HRW source you cited. So your line - "Here, we see Israel's complete non-response to the charges leveled against." - really doesn't mean anything, does it?
BTW, you don't respond to criticism directly: is that why Israel's non-response bothers you - because it reminds you of your own failing?
And, now that I've brought up one of your foibles, I marvel that you scoff at ElderofZiyon for using the internet as a major source of material for his blog, yet you constantly cite internet sources for your argument. (Pity your last two sources require a subscription: not all of us have the financal resources avilable to you...)

By the way, you demonstrate your usual scrupulous obsession with historical accuracy by writing, "Even following the Hizbullah attack of July 12, Israel sought to avoid an escalation of the conflict." and "June 12 and 13th were the first days of the war..."
So, when was the war?
Were you being dishonest or ignorant this time? Or was it a typo? Careful with those typos: your credibility suffers.

DebunkingZionism said...

Thanks for the correction. Yerushalimey, im gald you agree with me on the facts, you just want to know all about me personally. Whats your question sweetheart?

DebunkingZionism said...

HRW, a serious source, is also online. Without a doubt, some there are serious and un-serious sources online. My point about Elder is not that he USES internet sources, but that its clear that its ALL he uses, given his relatively elementary background on the topic. See the details of the 1967 War.

DebunkingZionism said...

"The document is not a direct response to the information requested by Human Rights Watch. To date, we have not received any further information from the Israeli authorities responding directly to our request for information."

Wait, they are saying it is not a direct response to the info REQUESTED by HRW IN the report. It is certainly a response to the report, no?

Yerushalimey said...

I don't know whether Israel's ministry worded the report as a response to HRW or simply sent HRW a copy of the Israeli position when the Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued it.
But since HRW points out it is not a direct response, I guess it isn't.

Abu Foxman said...

Who needs bombs when you can just have regular every day living in pit of vipers.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/08/26/55494.html

Yerushalimey said...

Debunking,
I'd prefer it if you didn't use the word "Zionist" to describe me. I am Jewish. I am an Israeli citizen. I don't approve of every action my government takes (and I even flinch at some rabbinic decisions); if I met one, I would probably disagree with a Zionist about many things.
You'll probably recall that I've asked you to define Zionism for me. If you provided me with a comprehensive list of statements I could tell you what I agree or disagree with. For instance I would agree that the land of Israel is the Jewish homeland. But your blog doesn't dwell on that. You seem unable to define Zionism.
Instead you tend to publicize anything you disapprove of that Israel has done - or has been accused of doing - and assert that these misdeeds are what define Zionism.
So, since YOU seem to define Zionism as anything you disapprove of done in the name of Israel or Jewry, I reject the lable.
It happens I have a niece who could accurately be described as a "settler." She lives with her husband and baby in a caravan in what you would call the "occupied territories." She and her husband vehemently deny that they are Zionists - yet you would probably think they epitomize the Zionist movement.
Anyway, like my niece and a few million other Israelis, I love my country - but I do not wish to be called a Zionist: it's a virtually meaningless term nowadays, useful merely to demonize.